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Discussion on module 5, "Vocational Training for Healthcare Professional Workers"
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I thihk taht a person it,s very important to be dedicated for this acnowledgement so at the finish of the training to be able to offer the best solution and the best care for the person that request so a kind of sevice of you.
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I'm psychopedagog in nursing homes. course are in permanent dialogue with elders and also with unit staff. I learned a lot from this course, it's interesting and something I and the third age. speak in class and this age, especially on the elderly in homes. will be interesting.
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in addition to training the update is also crucial to avoid stiffening to family pattern, neglecting to improve themselves throught knowledge and comparison
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i work as an medical assistent for 15 years at the foster house. To work with the elders requires to have a suitable training because most of the elders have a huge emotional bagage, with lots of diagnostics and of course each other with his own story. Self education is very usefull
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First of all, if you like your job, beside your obligations writen in your contract, you must seek for your own satisfaction. I think in our field this comes with the feedback from your patient. First, your patient must trust you before you can help him.
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I completely agree with you, althought today it's very hard (I'm talking about Italy) not to fall in the "depression" of working, because of the time we don't have to take care of the partiens as we wanted, because of the loss of resources and money...
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Knowledge and education are the first elements, but not enough. By adding the predisposition to listening, empathy, medicine is making headway
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I respond to Francesco Campo:
Knowledge and education are the first elements, fundamental
. Add humanity, the work is facilitated
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It should be a lot of Humanity Humanity.
Training, knowledge is
But if not the heart, humanity, become only mechanical acts
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Vocational training is a very important aspect of life anyone who works in the healthcare system. Improving knowledge and skills is the responsibility of these professional groups. Knowledge in medicine is advancing very rapidly and we have to keep up.
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Caregivers are a foundamental role in the cure and care of all patients. They care patiens during the day, so, as many guide lines recommende, they may be integral part of the reabilitation team. with their own features, quality and knowledge.
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Is very important that the staff involved in field of healthcare to do this vocational training, sometimes is possible to burn out of to many duties. Is important to be emphatic with the patient and family, to know what to say, what to do but even more, what not to say, not to do...
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Caregivers need to also care for themselves! If we don't give ourselves loving care we're likely to run the risk of burn out. Training courses like these can help us to nurture ourselves
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I agree. It is often enough to just listen to a patient, just to be there for him or her.
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For me, being a more quiet person, it is the best way to show and improve profesionallity throught the actual taking care part, like bathing and feeding the ones who can't do that anymore.
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The attitude of a caregiver can make a big difference for a patient.It's true that we often say that we dont have time to spend more time with our patients. And it is impossible to spend a lot of time with each and every patient every day. But when you make it a priority to spend every time a few minutes with just one of your patients, you already give extra quality to your care.
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I try always to create a positive atmosphere around me. I try to spend some extra time with patients when that's possible. And when taking care of them medically, I have conversations with them.
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One of the most interesting subject so far has been discussed in the last workshop and was about empathy. Empathy is an important step in the process of healing of accepting. In our carecentre it's about finding solace in difficult cimcumstances. Sometimes somebody just needs to feel that he isn't alone, for somebody else maybe it's important to just listen to his story.
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Professional caregivers must be capable to forget about there own problems and to be there for the patients. It is important that you try to make a connection with a patient and that you treat him with dignity and respect.
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It's not really about forgetting one's problems, empathy means to be COMPLETELY WITH patients, thus experiencing their feelings and sharing their experience. In this way the relationship becomes enriching for both professionals and patients.
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The pedagogy of the parents is seen as the starting point, we have not to teach protocols done and finished but it is necessary for a complete education, have an experience of the family culture we are relating to. To investigate this we use the Narrative Medicine.
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Thanks a lot for yours course, because it allowed me to better conferm in my work both as psychologist, educator, but above all as sexologist, that integrates psychological techniques with human relationships, empathy "with and for" the people that I turn to requests for help and support.
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I also think is very important to be empathic with the patient and his family.It is true that sometimes we have so many things to do but the most important issue is speaking with the patient so that we understand what the problem is about.
Courses like this real help us to learn and focus what's the main issue in carring a patient.
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Hello! In my opinion the doctors, nurses and social workers must have that capacity reciver, which makes us humanize patient history, keep that flame of life listening to feell compression of what happens to the patient and his environment.
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Hy! When we try to care for the sick cannot care only measures and pharmacological tehniques, but we have to take into account the context of eack patient, and this includes their environment, tehir family, their beliefs, their way of life and bring valuee to wour life.
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The joy of any healthcare professional worker is to see that the patient recovers and leaves healthy.
If he can not be cured, it should help, if not, the heathcare professional must console, and if not, the last thing left is to accompany the patient. Being accompanied, is what we all want especially when we are sick. A disabled or handicapped child does not suffer for it, only if others denie acceptance and lose hope in being accepted unconditionally.We can see the difference in attitude and healing, among people loved and unloved. Love is free and we must move the will to bestow. This should be the main feature of all healthcare professional workers
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Following Dr. Bajardi from CIPES, who suggested the need for political involvement to sustain the adoption a more “human” medical model such as the HEPPY project, I particularly appreciated Professor Zucchi’s lecture on parent pedagogy and Narrative Medicine training. Professor Zucchi illustrated a sort of history of Narrative Medicine from its onset and also gave us a short description of many fascinating books which provide a more in-depth understanding of the HEPPY project. I also found the lecture by Dr. Carlevato from the Gradenigo Hospital very interesting. She spoke about staff training and the search for “quality” with the goal of bringing national health patients towards a more active role: by encouraging their empowerment people can increasingly become masters of their lives.
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I think the most important thing for a sick person is to have someone beside him, who understand his condition, who can help, or at least, someone who can to give him hope, that is why trained people are required
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The humanization of the care is a crucial point and it starts from the first training for healht and social workers. But whath about the power of physicians? The doctor has studied to care and save. Does he will able to listen, to sit down alongside of the patient?
Hello! In my opinion the doctors, nurses and social workers must have that capacity reciver, which makes us humanize patient history, keep that flame of life listening to feell compression of what happens to the patient and his environment.
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Therefore, I believe that the need for training of doctors, nurses, and in general for all healthcare workers in the field of empathy and the ability to talk with the patient. In my experience that very few people can do that!
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Dear collegues,
although intended primarily for nurses, I found this module really interesting.On the one hand the use of the ICF, which I consider a useful and important, because not limited to the pathology but extended to the patient as a whole. On the other hand the introduction of the theme of death, a real taboo in our culture: Everything can be cured, maybe spending a lot. But defensive medicine was born out of an excess of arrogance of the medicine, also due to the necessity of "selling health". But the reality is that we are born and we die sooner or later...
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Training should focus on storytelling and relationship
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I think that greatest achievement in our work - reliance between the nurse and the patient
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In our country only very few people want to become nurses,because the job is very difficult,and work pay is very low
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I found the talks given by Dr. Bajardi and Dr. Carlevato extremely important: humanizing medicine requires political commitment in order to encourage the adoption of a more global model. Further, staff training is an essential element to ensure greater quality in health systems.
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Nurses' quality of work, health is largely dependent on the working conditions.Unsafe work environment violates nurses, physically, spiritually.So I think the most important to improve working conditions for them
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I think it is important to develop a nursing science research, and to ensure the dissemination of research findings
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One of the problem is lack of respect as a professional. Many nurses will claim that they receive little respect from other health care providers, including physicians, administrators and in some cases even advanced practice nurses . As a result of this direct lack of respect, nurses view their voice as limited in health care. Nurses today are placed in some of the most dangerous positions in relationship to providing care to patients.
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In Romania so many people are affected by the poor medical conditions. The patients must bribe the doctors and nurses for a better medical service. In the healthcare system "gift-giving" has become expected and, in some instances, compulsory if you want to receive the best quality care. Bribes are expected at all levels of the health care hierarchy, from the top specialist surgeons and pathologist to nurses and auxiliary staff. The reason for this sad reality is that the Romanian public health system is underfinanced, this is the main cause of hospitals decay. More and more young medical specialists choose to work abroad. In my conclusion, medical care, as a high quality service is only available for those who afford an expensive treatment.
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According to some point of view,narrative medicine as well as perantal pedagogy is understood as a scientific descipline, which reflects scientific and cognitive activity of people and institutes of society the state and a society itself.The subjecy of scientific discipline "social pedagogy"appears in this module as common and pedagogical laws of interaction berween a person (in our way-a patient) and society.The purpose of this discipline is also scientific and pedagogical substantiation of interaction between a patient and society,harmonization of this interaction at a level of practical work of nurses.I think it is a wide field of the discussion.
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The social worker has own specific field of activity ,and as well the common field with other experts and services of social sphere . At the same time, it is necessary to note that the given differentiations are conditional,because during the formation of social pedagogy as sciences and practice,along with differentiations,a simultaneous process of integration of various sciences and activity of those and other expert occur.as we do believe , in a foreseeable prospect,a profession of social worker will become frequent,as it is necessary to prevent and treat social illnesses of every child at earlier age
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Narrative training primes your brain to perceive more from time-constrained conversations in a clinical setting. Beyond bridging our interests in medicine and the humanities, our training in narrative medicine has provided us with a powerful skill set and has provided a new foundation for our future medical practice. Other practitioners may also gain exponentially more from their interactions with patients just by learning to listen.
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We all have noticed that emerging changes in health care delivery are having a significant impact on the structure of health care professional;s education.Today it is recognized that medical knowledge doubles every 6-8 years,with new medical procedures emerging everyday.While the half life of medical information is so short.Do you believe statistical datas that average nurse 40 years...
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Yes Laimuti, you are right.I am a nurse and I know that every year I must to lear how to go step by step forward according changes in medical practise that limit instruction time ans patient availability, the expanding options for diagnosis and management and advances in technology are contributing to greater use in professional medical education.
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In our institution where I work,there are often planned courses for health care professionals together with non-formal home care providers.Health care professionals require frequent training courses in order for them to be qualifield to work in healthcare environments.Training and courses are designed specifically for nurses and non formal home care assistants in area such as care ,caring, nursing,mental and physical health as well as the treatment and prevention of illnesses and injuries.After courses they all get certificates and the license approving their level of the qualifiacion. I think that in your countries is the same?
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In every institution as well as in different countries ( I have assessed from the EU projects where I was involved) there are differences in attitudes, barriers,skills and training interests across health care practitioner,s characteristics.I think it is depends on the country culture and long lasting traditions also.
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Recently we have discussion about this topic in our meeting and I agree that continuing education could provide a readily assessible forum for training in all Heppy project topics areas.A high proportion of participants practitioners identified continuing education at local and national meetings and professional guidelines and practise preferred new education methods as narrative medicine in home care practice.
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In my opinion it's very important the vocational traning for health, and it should be continuous.
I would suggest a book that I found very interesting about the importance of relationship between patient and therapist: "La morte di Ivan Il'ic" Lev N. Tolstoj.
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Personally, I think that skills upgrading is the most important element in the work of nurses. I try to regularly participate in trainings and courses because I know that in this way I become a better nurse.
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Because I love my work and I want to make it as best I submit itself to various training and courses to improve my skills and better able to help people as a nurse.
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In the process of cure the pacients must be supported from all points of view.
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I try to regularly participate in trainings and courses because I know that in this way I become a better nurse.
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The competency model of narrative medicine and parent pedagogy is very useful.
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Nonverbal communication needs to be carefully observed and be a part of active listening. We need to have also our bodies in lines with communication.
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The patient coming back from hospital, need to receive adequate care. The situation is bad for people they do not have families, because the care will not come automatically. The family needs to go to the respective administration and ask for the post-hospitalization care – social or nursing care if patient needs such care. I wonder if there is in any country the system organized automatically, e.g. patient oriented.
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The social and nursing care in Europe, with increasing aging population will have to be also organized with the help of volunteers.
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The role-play with the patient and communication with the patient that is not receiving care professionally was especially difficult to take. We have to be cautious not to be too much involved in medical care and we need to pay attention to the patient as human being.
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In case of terminal diseases, many people are not prepared to death. The death issues are taboo in our life. The words appeals to me: “We are born unable to speak, began to crawl, walk and stand on our own. When we die, if it is too slowly stop doing all that we knew and we became dependent on others”.
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The medical sisters are not enough in number, therefore it is sometimes very difficult to pay more attention to emotional issues, when there is too much work with the medical service (injections, special medical treatments, medications).